No one talks about engineers, doctors Zuma has produced – Hlaudi

Former SABC chief operating officer Hlaudi Motsoeneng. Picture: Michel Bega

Former SABC chief operating officer Hlaudi Motsoeneng. Picture: Michel Bega

‘They say fees must fall, but there are many people benefiting from Zuma, but people concentrate more on the negativity,’ he said.

When it comes to education, President Jacob Zuma has produced engineers and doctors, but people are not talking about those and other good stories, according to former SABC chief operating officer Hlaudi Motsoeneng.

While speaking during a panel discussion on the “state capture” issue yesterday, Motsoeneng said while he was not the president’s spokesperson, he could still speak about Zuma funding several students annually.

“They say fees must fall, but there are many people benefiting from him [Zuma], and what I’m saying is that in a human being, there are negatives and positives, but people concentrate more on the negativity,” he said.

Motsoeneng said there were “good white people” who understood transformation.

“For an example where I work, I work with white people, and when you check between white and black, you will find that where whites are operating, they are well-transformed in that unit, but where there is black, there is a problem, and transformation should not be about colour.

“I always talk about the heart, and if you are a white person with a good heart, we must appreciate that, and if you are a black person, captured by the West, we must not appreciate you,” Motsoeneng said.

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He admitted to being lobbied by several politicians and business to appoint a certain executive but stood his ground and used his conscience by appointing his own people, who he deemed fit enough to carry out their respective duties. Motsoeneng was among the panellists discussing “state capture” yesterday.

“Actually when someone comes to me and says, appoint this one, I go this way and appoint someone else because I always ask myself why should I appoint this one … I even called the individuals and said you know what, I was actually going to appoint you, but in this case, this one and that one said I should appoint you, unfortunately, I’m not going to appoint you anymore.

“Maybe lobbying is the same as capturing, and maybe they want me to appoint someone who is already captured, and for me, integrity is important,” he said.

Motsoeneng made an example of some people from Luthuli House, ANC headquarters, coming to the SABC.

“People will say they are from Luthuli House, and they want one, two, three, but I would ask whose that Luthuli House because I know that building … who is that person inside Luthuli House? They will never tell you the name.

“Some of us are not afraid to call the shots and take decisions that we believe our conscience are telling us to do … I mean after 20 years, you cannot talk about transformation in South Africa, and when you talk about it, you should touch it and feel it, but we as South Africans have been denying our own people while paying millions of rands to international artists while our own have been dying as paupers,” he said.

He said the R411 million loss by the SABC was a good loss that sought to empower black people.

Other prominent people who took part in the discussion included president of Black Management Forum (BMF) Jimmy Manyi and Andile Mngxitama, leader of the Black First Land First (BLF) movement.

Mngxitama said the state has been captured since 1652. He said white capital was behind the planned march for November 2 in support of Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan.

“If Pravin is innocent, let him go to court, and the court must say this man is not a fraudster,” Mngxitama said.

Manyi said the biggest mistake the Gupta family has made was to disrupt the eating of the white monopoly capital.

“They have disrupted them in the mining as well as in the media,” he said.



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